Curse

Stormlord Alex · Dec 31, 2007, 08:51 PM // 20:51

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Originally Posted by Full Metal X

Kitty pictures at the ready, this thread is going nowhere.

I've got one up on you already!

... make that 2

Welcome to my world, sweet Metal

garethporlest18 · Dec 31, 2007, 08:52 PM // 20:52

Hell I've been using my ranger for DPS forever. Burning Arrow+Poison+Keen Arrow usually takes anything besides warriors to under 25% health.

But my warrior always has an adrenal IAS and adrenal attacks so my energy isn't bothered.

Also my sin has died less than most other characters. Simply because he owns everything before it owns him.

Also Full Metal you're a noob I'll spike you irl. Stormlord Alex, no one is good at this game gtfo.

Also cats suck and I hope they all die.

lutz · Dec 31, 2007, 08:54 PM // 20:54

Assasins = fragile, but mobile (sort of). Good players know this, good players deal with this.
Dervishes out of form = fragile.
Dervishes without a form = stupid, and fragile.
Rangers = Bad DPS, good mobility. Always has been bad DPS, always will be. Burning Arrow is bad DPS compared to what you can have with a warrior.
Warriors with IAS = big tank with lots of DPS, more than any other class

Full Metal X · Dec 31, 2007, 08:55 PM // 20:55

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Originally Posted by garethporlest18

Hell I've been using my ranger for DPS forever. Burning Arrow+Poison+Keen Arrow usually takes anything besides warriors to under 25% health.

But my warrior always has an adrenal IAS and adrenal attacks so my energy isn't bothered.

Also my sin has died less than most other characters. Simply because he owns everything before it owns him.

Also Full Metal you're a noob I'll spike you irl. Stormlord Alex, no one is good at this game gtfo.

Also cats suck and I hope they all die.

PS sloth>keen

Stormlord Alex · Dec 31, 2007, 08:59 PM // 20:59

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Originally Posted by garethporlest18

Also cats suck and I hope they all die.

Cats > all. Fact.
The ancient Egyptians got it right.

garethporlest18 · Dec 31, 2007, 08:59 PM // 20:59

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

Cats > all. Fact.
The ancient Egyptians got it right.

The government should take away your right to use pictures over the internet.

Full Metal X · Dec 31, 2007, 09:00 PM // 21:00

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Originally Posted by garethporlest18

The government should take away your right to use pictures over the internet.

Stormlord Alex · Dec 31, 2007, 09:03 PM // 21:03

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Originally Posted by garethporlest18

The government should take away your right to use pictures over the internet.

And the goverment should take away the OP's right to post on t3h internets.
c whut i did thar?!
Regardless, pictures of cats have more worth than this thread.
So might the Caturday commence!
Well, till the threadlock, that is.

Dominator1370 · Dec 31, 2007, 09:03 PM // 21:03

Assassins are fragile. They have a 70 AL and their self-heals are meh. Sure, you can make a block-tank sin, or you can spam Shadow Form, but who the hell cares? You're not doing much else besides standing there twiddling your thumbs.

"But Dervs have 70 AL"... Dervs also have some of the best self-heals around, all kinds of defensive utilities, higher base health, and most importantly, Avatar of Melandru.

"But Rangers have 70 AL"... Rangers (good ones) have Mending Touch, Troll Ungent, and Natty Stride. They also have interrupts. Nough said.

Rangers don't have DPS. That doesn't mean Rangers can't deal damage. Conditions hurt, for one. Not having DPS isn't a bad thing, though. That's not what Rangers are good at. If you put a good Ranger up against almost any class in a skirmish, you're going to win. If you can interrupt/disable a few of the enemy's key skills, you're going to win.

Sure, it doesn't take much imagination to come up with a Ranger spike build. Then again, I bet if you took some of the skills you could use for your Ranger spike and threw them on a caster with a wand, you could pull off a moderate spike too. Not sure why you'd want to, but that has nothing to do with DPS. Spikes generally mean bad DPS.

Warriors should have an IAS. The argument that it costs more energy to use an IAS doesn't make any sense. Warriors have Adrenaline for a reason: so they don't have to worry about Energy. Get some Adrenaline skills, and that's a problem solved. Now, you want to charge those Adrenaline skills quicker and improve your DPS when you aren't using those Adrenaline skills, so get an IAS. Now push buttons and kill stuff. It's hard to screw up.

If you want to use an Energy warrior, you're probably looking at wasting your elite slot on some crappy e-management skill instead of something good, like Eviscerate. Wasted elite = the opposite of good.

You should be noticing a trend. You don't need an IAS, but but it's better to have one. Your Ranger can do damage, but he's not a DPS machine (like a Warrior) so he's better off doing things like interrupting and spreading conditions and leaving the damage to the ones who can do it. Your Assassin can tank things, but then it's not doing what Assassins are good at (not to mention it's not doing anything useful), namely it isn't killing things.

There's reasons for this stuff. It's the way Guild Wars works. Tank sins generally don't do much damage, and those that can do moderate damage and still tank things generally only work in specific areas. Ranger Spike isn't terribad as a team build, but a good balanced team is going to roll it, because spike Rangers can't pressure with conditions and aren't as versatile with their interrupts. A Warrior without IAS is pretty much always going to be out-DPS'ed by one with IAS, simply because one is attacking faster, gaining adrenaline faster, and using attack skills more.

So, I guess the simplest way to put it is:
Myths > You.

Full Metal X · Dec 31, 2007, 09:05 PM // 21:05

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

cwutididthar?

Diddy bow · Dec 31, 2007, 09:05 PM // 21:05

The myths are true really.

Melle DPS>Ranger DPS

Ranger interupts>GW

Melle without IAS=bad

Sin>delecate, because they are 70 armor at melle ranger, a caster in melle is delecate too, its just they stay back, rangers are invincible and dervs have melandru.

Jaythen Tyradel · Dec 31, 2007, 09:05 PM // 21:05

The most common reason that I see for most of the myths is that people haven't tried a profession, didn't learn to play that profession well, or just made up their view on that profession based on another's performance of using that profession.
At one time, I thought Warriors were the best to choose. Then I tried out Ranger, then an elementalist, then a Dervish, and now I am working on an Assassin. By playing the profession, I learned what I can expect from them whether it be other players or heroes (if I set them up correctly). I am still learning even after this game being out almost for three years.

Stormlord Alex · Dec 31, 2007, 09:06 PM // 21:06

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Originally Posted by Full Metal X

cwutididthar?

The Riven · Dec 31, 2007, 09:07 PM // 21:07

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Originally Posted by Surena

Any warrior with 14 in weapon mastery, IAS and no other skill will do better than yours, and that by miles. In less friendly words: You're pretty bad.

Whats the proper response here?

I think its something about a red engine, then off .

An ias while desirable in a d/slash build (that does not work if one meets a ranger with any "miss" skills, or anything that can blind tbh) together with brawling headbut can work in selected areas, normaly one is better off with a better build than one will find on the "wammo" forum.

Stormlord Alex · Dec 31, 2007, 09:10 PM // 21:10

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Originally Posted by The Riven

An ias while desirable in a d/slash build (that does not work if one meets a ranger with any "miss" skills, or anything that can blind tbh) together with brawling headbut can work in selected areas, normaly one is better off with a better build than one will find on the "wammo" forum.

Show me a build that's better off without the 50% increased adrenaline gain and damage from Frenzy/Flail, and you might just stop looking like a fool.

Steady Stancers don't count because they're lame, and Warrior's Endurance hammer guys fake an IAS.

Go for it.

moar kittehs plz

Full Metal X · Dec 31, 2007, 09:12 PM // 21:12

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Originally Posted by The Riven

Whats the proper response here?

I think its something about a red engine, then off .

An ias while desirable in a d/slash build (that does not work if one meets a ranger with any "miss" skills, or anything that can blind tbh) together with brawling headbut can work in selected areas, normaly one is better off with a better build than one will find on the "wammo" forum.

Your fail makes it so

Thom Bangalter · Dec 31, 2007, 09:12 PM // 21:12

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Originally Posted by Quaker

You know the type of things I'm talking about - "Assassins are fragile", "Rangers don't do damage", "melee fighters need IAS (increased attack speed)", etc., etc.

Unfortunately OP fails because all of those things are true.

Shadow Spirit · Dec 31, 2007, 09:13 PM // 21:13

LOL. I love it when the kittehs come out...

Anyway...

Sins being Fragile isn't really a myth, they are. Sins being BAD is a myth. There are no bad classes, only bad players.

It's not that Rangers Can't do DPS, it's just that they excel at other things, like interrupting and condition spreading.

And you may not Need an IAS on your warrior bar, but your play will improve with one...

They're not really myths per se, they're a matter of perspective.

But one thing that I've come to realize, is that it doesn't really matter what other people think. Play however YOU have fun and don't worry about it.

zwei2stein · Dec 31, 2007, 09:16 PM // 21:16

Well, we can salvage this thread:

I heard that wanding target as monk is epic fail deserving ragequit. T/F?

Full Metal X · Dec 31, 2007, 09:17 PM // 21:17

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Well, we can salvage this thread:

I heard that wanding target as monk is epic fail deserving ragequit. T/F?

False. as i heard extra damaage is good if you're already wtf pwning them.